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marmar256 · Feb 24, 2009, 10:06 PM // 22:06

These are all great ideas guys i was just wondering if someone could throw in a bar or 2 along the line to put it into a better perspective. Thats all i am trying discord atm with the AP+YMLAD and i dont really like it. I dislike being back from the fight i thought that was why i had armour to get in there? Anywho a few bars would be nice.
Thanks

Saraneth · Feb 24, 2009, 10:19 PM // 22:19

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Originally Posted by marmar256

Thats all i am trying discord atm with the AP+YMLAD and i dont really like it. I dislike being back from the fight i thought that was why i had armour to get in there?

You're a warrior, not a caster. You should be out in the front line. If your build doesn't support that, then you need to change builds.

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Originally Posted by marmar256

Anywho a few bars would be nice.

As for your warrior, [[Warriors Endurance] scythe and [[Earth Shaker] have been suggested. Versions of these builds can be found here:

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10326347

Super Igor · Feb 24, 2009, 11:39 PM // 23:39

[assassins promise][you move like a dwarf][frenzy][dismember][executioner's strike][agonizing chop][dash][optional]

Manly + effective with Discord.

Anyway Daesu, why? Wars as AP callers are fine just drop EVAS and dont be bad.

Daesu · Feb 25, 2009, 12:06 AM // 00:06

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Originally Posted by Super Igor

[assassins promise][you move like a dwarf][frenzy][dismember][executioner's strike][agonizing chop][dash][optional]

Manly + effective with Discord.

Anyway Daesu, why? Wars as AP callers are fine just drop EVAS and dont be bad.

What's your point? I still dont see the use of AP in that build with 3 adrenaline skills and the rest of the skills are fast recharge anyway, besides AP itself. If you need energy, using [[warrior's endurance] makes more sense. And you wont be using a staff.

I rather take along other elites than AP then I dont have to put any point into deadly arts, and I wont even need to be an assassin secondary. There are also better hexes that serve the warrior better like [[asuran scan] or [[grasping earth] if you need one.

Why dont you post that build in the warrior's forum and check their reaction?

Daenara · Feb 25, 2009, 11:54 PM // 23:54

Pretty sure you've had that conversation before. Cut it out, or keep it to PM's.

byteme! · Feb 26, 2009, 02:38 AM // 02:38

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Originally Posted by Super Igor

[assassins promise][you move like a dwarf][frenzy][dismember][executioner's strike][agonizing chop][dash][optional]

Manly + effective with Discord.

Anyway Daesu, why? Wars as AP callers are fine just drop EVAS and dont be bad.

EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!
I can find so many better ways to be a caller as a W/* then using AP. Especially with the accompanying skills you threw in. AP in your build serves ZERO purpose other then to recharge itself and YMLD. All that just to meet the requirements for Discord. There are better, cheaper, more efficient ways to meet the requirements for Discord. You don't need the energy. If you need energy it's only because you tossed a shit ton of energy based skills into your build and put yourself in that predicament. Not only that but you can free up your secondary for something more useful.

Having said that, your bar "works" and that's about it. Knowing you and your infamous, "stop being bad" posts I don't expect too much from you anyways. Your build doesn't make sense no matter how you sugar coat it.

Super Igor · Feb 26, 2009, 08:13 AM // 08:13

ewwwwwww urbad

Accompanying skills are manly powerful axe spike and AP+YMLaD goodness. AP caller rules, best way to prime your Discord stop being bad. W/* has no way to call Discord with vertually no downtime like AP, your best option to call from range is [asuran scan][you move like a dwarf] which has huuuge 10 sec recharge and requres you to waste 2 pve slots on you warrior bar, not worth it just run sabs if you want good melee.

Also, lol @ energy, 15 energy is alooot /sarcasm.

byteme! · Feb 26, 2009, 03:26 PM // 15:26

ewwwwww you're bad too.....

see I can do that just as easily. Sugar coat your build all you want, the argument still stands.

Daesu · Feb 26, 2009, 03:59 PM // 15:59

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Originally Posted by Super Igor

ewwwwwww urbad

Accompanying skills are manly powerful axe spike and AP+YMLaD goodness. AP caller rules, best way to prime your Discord stop being bad. W/* has no way to call Discord with vertually no downtime like AP,

Your AP serves no function to that adrenaline axe build and it takes up your elite slot. And when your precious AP is removed, your plan for it to prime discord fails. I rather have an elite to let my warrior kill faster. Warriors have adrenaline skills, so they dont have to rely on AP. With Splinter Weapon, they can dish out higher damage than your AP build. You should modify your heroes around your character, not the other way around.

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your best option to call from range is [asuran scan][you move like a dwarf] which has huuuge 10 sec recharge and requres you to waste 2 pve slots on you warrior bar, not worth it just run sabs if you want good melee.

Asuran Scan+YMLAD vs AP+YMLAD is only a difference of 1 pve skill, not 2, and you dont need to take up the elite slot. If you want instant condition, then cast withering aura on your warrior and use cyclone axe or ww to spread the goodness.

AtomicMew · Feb 26, 2009, 07:34 PM // 19:34

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You should read your own pvx build discussion page. Nobody thinks that a warrior should use the build that you posted and you are still defending it here to the very end for the sake of your pride. And worse, actually recommending it for warriors in this thread.

Wow, so that was you trolling for comments to use against Igor?

You can't just interpret comments any way you want. That's called lying. No one said discordway is bad with a warrior... c'mon, it's discordway; they said simply it's better on a caster. That is all.

And you should use sabway with a warrior for YOUR playing style, which is what EVERYONE has been saying. IGOR is quite plainly saying, if discordway, AP is simply better in most areas.

Daesu · Feb 26, 2009, 07:46 PM // 19:46

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Originally Posted by traversc

And you should use sabway with a warrior for YOUR playing style, which is what EVERYONE has been saying. IGOR is quite plainly saying, if discordway, AP is simply better in most areas.

First of all I know from that pvx discordway thread, you are also one of the authors so I can understand why you are upset since the pvx discordway recommended it for "any profession/A" even with recommended skills for the warrior class.

If YOUR version of discordway is not optimal on a warrior, and sabway or other builds are better, then you shouldn't recommend your discordway to a warrior. Instead of defending a bad build to the bitter end, why dont you guys just admit that there are better hero builds out there for a warrior and stop pushing YOUR discordway to warriors on this thread. This argument shouldnt happen unless you are saying YOUR discordway build is better with a warrior, than a good melee warrior with sabway.

Super Igor · Feb 26, 2009, 09:49 PM // 21:49

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Originally Posted by byteme!

ewwwwww you're bad too.....

see I can do that just as easily. Sugar coat your build all you want, the argument still stands.

who are you to determine if an argument still stands or not? Calling someone bad without telling them what to do is urbad fail, urbad.

To conclude:

At the moment there are two most powerful vanquishing hero combinations, Discord and RoJ.

RoJ shines with a melee character who has better cc ability and will benefit more from smiting spells but fails when you are a caster.

Discord fails with a physical character because it cant cope with physical buffs well and calling from melee is less effective but shines with a caster that can call effectively from range with significantely less counters. Thats why good people run it with AP caller regardless of profession.
[assassins promise][you move like a dwarf!][ebon vanguard assassin support][finish him!] only an idiot will deny that.

Warriors can be adapted to run with Discord well (see my or Xun's build) but compared to other professions they are less suited for Discord and do much better job with Sab or RoJ.

Now that its done, close this thread.

Calista Blackblood · Feb 26, 2009, 09:55 PM // 21:55

No need for the flaming.Keep it on topic..

phan · Feb 26, 2009, 09:55 PM // 21:55

Be a man and run balanced x)

AtomicMew · Feb 27, 2009, 01:14 AM // 01:14

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Originally Posted by Daesu

First of all I know from that pvx discordway thread, you are also one of the authors so I can understand why you are upset since the pvx discordway recommended it for "any profession/A" even with recommended skills for the warrior class.

Nope, I'm not "one of the authors," I'm just too lazy to wiki lol. Take your baseless assumptions elsewhere, not that I care since the pvx version is decent, compared to the trash daesu puts out.

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If YOUR version of discordway is not optimal on a warrior, and sabway or other builds are better, then you shouldn't recommend your discordway to a warrior. Instead of defending a bad build to the bitter end, why dont you guys just admit that there are better hero builds out there for a warrior and stop pushing YOUR discordway to warriors on this thread. This argument shouldnt happen unless you are saying YOUR discordway build is better with a warrior, than a good melee warrior with sabway.

You see, this is where you need to stop LYING. I NEVER ever recommended discordway for warrior. (It's certainly possible, but subpar.) What I HAVE said is, if you insist on using discordway with a warrior, then AP caller is still superior.

Read Igor again:
"Warriors can be adapted to run with Discord well (see my or Xun's build) but compared to other professions they are less suited for Discord and do much better job with Sab or RoJ."

That's pretty much end of discussion. There's no conceivable way you can argue with the above statement. Now that its done, close this thread.

Daesu · Feb 27, 2009, 03:39 AM // 03:39

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Originally Posted by traversc

if you insist on using discordway with a warrior, then AP caller is still superior.

I dont think you have been paying attention, AP is not superior for a warrior. AP sucks for a warrior and there are many more non-elite 5e hexes in the game than just AP. AP is quite useless as an elite for a warrior, so stop defending that your sucky AP warrior build as superior, even for discord.

Whether I run sabway or not, doesn't suddenly make AP the best elite for warriors, even for a warrior-supporting discordway build you dont need the warrior to bring AP, so stop trying to change the subject.

AP warriors are not superior whether you use sabway or discordway and that's that.

AtomicMew · Feb 27, 2009, 03:41 AM // 03:41

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Originally Posted by Daesu

I dont think you have been paying attention, AP is not superior for a warrior. AP sucks for a warrior.

Just run sabway.

"Warriors can be adapted to run with Discord well but compared to other professions they are less suited for Discord and do much better job with Sab or RoJ."

marmar256 · Feb 27, 2009, 06:05 AM // 06:05

Well guys all this being said can you ping the bars that you are defending so that i and other warriors can make up our own minds?
I would like to see an RoJ setup, discord setup and well i have the sab way setups but if you like a sabway setup also.
Thanks and I hope i can see some more bars not just arguements about a particular build that i cant see
Thanks again

Lusciious · Feb 27, 2009, 09:28 AM // 09:28

just get a triple chop bar / warrior's endurance and play with sabway.

nuff said.

Revelations · Feb 27, 2009, 03:47 PM // 15:47

This is basically my warriors set up at the moment

[Myself;OQYTkwoOZSsAsYHsV4qgvyw6nAA]

[Hero 1;OwYT44HC1xnZ9xrUfXy8IggMAA]

[Hero 2;OwYT44HC1xnZ9xrU/u4FJggMAA]

[Hero 3;Owgk4wQYoIqjPz6jXp+uEMm3M5C]

Attributes are slightly higher than what builds show, due to lazy copy/pasting.

Warrior - I tend to be a bit too much of a pvper. Drop rush if you want, crushing can be swapped for pulverizing. Grasping is optional. Take a res if you want.

Heroes - No minion wall if h/hing, so party takes every hit. I often take 2 hench monks (in HM, one is usually sufficient for most NM areas) and still have insane damage output. Insane amounts of armor ignoring (mostly non scattering aoe) damage, and Erf Shakur/Grasping is nice movement control. Back to back Erfshakurs are simple with FGJ up.

As for variants in monk builds, drop some copies of smite condition if going with a Life Sheath hench monk. Strength and honor isn't necessary, but that hero never runs out of energy with glyph and castigation, so I figured I'd put the extra to use. Judges Insight for more damage. Smiter's Boon for a bit of redbarring.

I often switch to Sab depending on area in HM, however in the entirety of NM and a lot of areas in HM I find that if you get decent landing Erf Shakur the entire mob dies before they get up.

Can be worthwhile observing mobs briefly, occasionally after they've wandered for a bit, their AI will tell them to regroup at a point, and they will clump up on one spot very briefly. This is an ideal time to aggro and get off a near instant Erf Shakur. (FGJ and Enraging)

Sorry for the novel.

Also, I know its back a ways in the thread, but

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Originally Posted by ac1inferno

For a Warrior, I strongly suggest Sabway. It has much more synergy with physicals than RoJway.

...surely you can't be serious. Sabway has some extreme synergy within itself, but Ion Cannons can take S+H, Judges insight, you can throw splinter on them, not to mention the fact that smite hex/condition/arage are far better with a real frontliner.